SALVATION BY BRUCE HURT

TABLE OF CONTENTS

I) [Bruce Hurt wrote]:

"You believe a person can say "I believe" in a moment and like magic that

 assures they are forever in the kingdom of God having escaped the flames of
 eternal hellfire!"

II) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

"And that they can then spend the rest of their life denying the only Master
 and Lord Jesus Christ continually living in total depravity and utter
 abysmal licentiousness until they take their last breath (and drop off in to
 eternal hell fire because of their deception)."

III) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

"If that is all Jesus is to you -- a fire insurance policy and a free pass to

live like the devil all the rest of your days -- then simply stated your
Jesus is not the same as my Jesus.

Not even speaking of theology, such a belief is not even intellectually

logical."

IV) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

And the apostle John also has a word that relates to those who profess Jesus

 and then progress to live like the Devil

V) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

And the apostle John also has a word that relates to those who profess Jesus

 and then progress to live like the Devil

7  Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices
 righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
 8  the one who practices sin is of the devil (COULD JOHN BE ANY MORE CLEAR
 ABOUT THE PERSON YOU THINK IS SAVED BY A PROFESSION IN A MOMENT AND THEN SPENDS THE REST OF HIS LIFE LIVING LIKE THE DEVIL!!!) ; for the devil has
 sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He
 might destroy the works of the devil.


VI) Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

And the apostle John also has a word that relates to those who profess Jesus

 and then progress to live like the Devil

7  Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices
 righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
 8  the one who practices sin is of the devil (COULD JOHN BE ANY MORE CLEAR
 ABOUT THE PERSON YOU THINK IS SAVED BY A PROFESSION IN A MOMENT AND THEN SPENDS THE REST OF HIS LIFE LIVING LIKE THE DEVIL!!!) ; for the devil has
 sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He
 might destroy the works of the devil.
9  No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him;
 and he cannot sin

(HERE THE PRESENT TENSE CLEARLY IS CONTINUOUS!), because

 he is born of God. (YOUR FRIEND WHO IS CONTINUOUSLY SINNING IS IN A BIT OF
 TROUBLE THEOLOGICALLY)

VII) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

[1 Jn 3:10]  "By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious:
 anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God (HOW MUCH CLEARER
 COULD JOHN HAVE BE
EN?) , nor the one who does not love his brother.
 (don't waste your time sending me material from the "free grace" people
 about how the parsing of the tenses don't mean what they mean especially in
 those "tough passages" in  1 John.)

VIII) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

CONCLUSION - Either you are in grave error regarding the Gospel or I am, BUT
 we cannot both be correct! Your Gospel is definitely not the Gospel I
 proclaim and teach.

 I wonder how you can twist the present tenses in this passage...
 John 3:36 "He who BELIEVES (participle present active nominative masculine
 singular) in the Son HAS (indicative present active 3rd person singular)
 eternal life; but he who does not (ouk = absolutely does not) OBEY
 (participle present active nominative masculine singular) the Son will not
 see life, but the wrath of God ABIDES (indicative present active 3rd person
 singular ) on him."

IX) [
Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

Below is a quote which I promised to send you from Dr Zane Hodges ...
 Begin quote
 I have a friend, and more than a friend, a man who labored with me side by
 side in the ministry of God’s Word in the little group that has become
 __________ Bible Chapel and this friend has fallen away from the Christian
 faith. He graduated from Bob Jones University and from Dallas Theological
 Seminary. And about the time when he and his wife left Dallas his wife
 contracted a very serious illness which over the years got progressively
 worse until she was reduced to being a complete invalid, and after the death
 of his wife I visited my friend (who now lives in the Midwest and who
 teaches Ancient History in a secular university). And as we sat in the
 living room together, face to face, he told me very frankly but graciously
 that he no longer claimed to be a Christian at all, that he no longer
 believed the things that he once preached and taught, and the situation was
 even worse than he described because I heard through others that in the
 classroom on the university campus he often mocked and ridiculed the
 Christian faith. As I sat in that living room I was very painfully aware
 that it was impossible for me to talk that man into changing his mind. It
 was impossible for me to talk him back to the conviction he had once held.
 It was impossible for me to renew him to repentance. You want to find
 someone harder to deal with than an unsaved person? Find a person like
 that….Oh how disgraceful for a man to have known the truth and proclaimed
 the truth and then to deny the truth! He has put the Son of God to an open
 shame! Well you say, “I guess he’s headed for hell, right? I guess he’s
 headed for eternal damnation. He’s renounced his Christian faith.” Wait a
 minute. I didn’t say that, and neither does the writer of Hebrews. Let me
 remind you that Jesus said, “I am the bread of life. He that cometh to Me
 shall never hunger and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst” and He
 also said, “He that cometh to Me I shall in no wise cast out”…. God’s will
 is that He lose no one (John 6:37-40). He has never lost anyone and He never
 will! And I grieve because my friend and brother has lost his faith but
 Christ has not lost him. Do you believe in the grace of God?

 End quote
 We would all agree that this was a very sad and tragic case. It grieves the
 heart of every believer to see a man totally reject the things of Christ,
 the very Christ he once claimed to love. It must have been a heartbreaking
 experience for Hodges who once considered this man a co-laborer. Here was a
 man who no longer even professed that he knew God! He totally denied the
 Christian faith. He even mocked and ridiculed the Christian faith, that is,
 he taught against the truth of Christianity! Hodges believed that such a
 person could totally defect from the faith (total apostasy) and completely
 withdraw his Christian profession, and would ultimately be saved (Bible
 Knowledge Commentary, p. 795).
 In other words, this is the person that I presented to you in my original
 question and you said he was saved despite the subsequent anti-God, Christ
 denying profession! Amazing!

X) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

 Let's stop wasting time -- I am too busy teaching and writing commentaries
 and I am sure you have something better to do, so even if you write back a
 response (I suspect you might), do not expect me to waste any more time in
 trying to convince you to rightly divide the Word of Truth (2 Ti 2:15).
 Bruce

XI) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

 One Postscript
 YOU WROTE:
 Now if continuous believing in Jesus Christ is necessary to provide one with
 a state of not perishing then Jn 3:16 must be changed to read "whoever
 continuously believes in Him will [future tense] not perish but will have
 [future tense] eternal life."
 Yes or no?

 Of course you know my answer is ""whoever continuously believes in Him."
 What you may not understand and seem to be "twisting" (or inverting) is that
 "my continuous believing" is not what saves me. It only demonstrates that I
 am truly saved. The only way I can continuously believe is because the Holy
 Spirit in me continually enables me to believe. Belief is supernatural and I
 am natural, therefore I must have a supernatural enablement to believe.  

XII) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

 Or
 to say it another way "I continually believe (enabled continually by the
 Spirit)
because I am genuinely saved. I do not continually believe to merit,
 earn or deserve salvation, for then salvation would be "faith + works", but
 it is only by faith.


XIII) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:
                          
Or

 to say it another way "I continually believe (enabled continually by the
 Spirit)
because I am genuinely saved. I do not continually believe to merit,
 earn or deserve salvation, for then salvation would be "faith + works", but
 it is only by faith.


XIV) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

Paul said something similar in Galatians 3:3 "Are you
 so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the
 flesh?" Of course not!

XV) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

"I begin believing by the Spirit and am being

 progressively sanctified by the same Spirit, by grace through faith and not
 the result of works."


XVI) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

So in a sense what you are saying with your teaching is
that the omnipotent Spirit is impotent, unable to energize belief in these
people in whom He initially energized saving faith!

XVII) [Bruce Hurt further wrote]:

People with the continually indwelling Holy Spirit continuously living unholy lives is absurd and counter-intuitive not to mention theologically erroneous (not according to me but to someone named Apostle Paul)!"